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The paper is concerned with computing the (initial) Fitting ideals of the minus parts of the Iwasawa modules \\(X_{std}\\), \\(X_{du}\\) over the Iwasawa algebra \\(\\mathbb{Z}_l[[G_{K_\\infty/F}]]\\). Here, \\(X_{std}\\) is the `standard' Iwasawa module, i.e., the projective limit of the \\(p\\)-parts of the class groups in the cyclotomic tower over \\(K\\), and \\(X_{du}\\) is a certain `dual' module, namely the Galois group of the maximal Abelian \\(p\\)-extension of \\(K_\\infty\\) over \\(HK_\\infty\\), where \\(H\\) is the \\(p\\)-class field of the minimal field \\(K_n\\) in the tower \\(K_\\infty/K\\) so that all \\(p\\)-adic places become totally ramified in \\(K_\\infty/K_n\\).   The first result describing the Fitting ideal of a closely related module \\(Y_S\\) (compare e.g. [\\textit{J. Ritter} and \\textit{A. Weiss}, Mem. Am. Math. Soc. 748 (2002; Zbl 1002.11082)]) has Brumer-Stickelberger type consequences on the size of the annihilator of \\(X_{du}^-\\) and of the \\(p\\)-part of the minus class group of \\(K\\). The next sections are devoted to the actual calculation of the Fitting ideals of \\(X_{du}^-\\) and \\(X_{std}^-\\) (outside the Teichm\u00fcller character when \\(\\zeta_p\\in K\\), but for \\(X^-_{std}\\) also at the Teichm\u00fcller character of the \\(p\\)-regular part of \\(G_{K/F}\\)); it is assumed here that the \\(\\mu\\)-invariant of \\(X^-_{std}\\) vanishes. The overlap between these and recent results of Kurihara is discussed. 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