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Let \\(D_ n\\) denote the class of groups in which the subnormal subgroups have defect at most n. Then \\(D_ 0\\) is the class of simple groups; Gasch\u00fctz has shown that the finite solvable groups of \\(D_ 1\\) are metabelian (2- step); and McCaughan and Stonehewer-Casolo have shown that the finite solvable groups of \\(D_ 2\\) have derived length at most 5 and nilpotent length at most 4 (and these are best possible by Casolo's results).    Here the author obtains the remarkable result that every finite solvable group is isomorphic with a subgroup of a finite solvable group of \\(D_ 3\\). The author constructs, using the twisted wreath product, a group \\(R=R(p,q,m)\\), where p and q are distinct primes and m is a natural number, with the properties: (i) \\(R=KA\\), where K is a normal extra- special p-group and A is an elementary abelian q-group; (ii) \\(K=[K,A]\\) and \\([Z(K),A]=1\\); (iii) R admits an automorphism \\(\\beta\\) of order p such that \\([R,\\beta]=R\\) and \\([Z(R),\\beta]=1\\); (iv) R contains elementary abelian subgroups of orders \\(p^ m\\) and \\(q^ m\\), both avoiding Z(R). This is used to construct recursively, given a finite solvable group H with a chief series of length n and a prime p, a sequence of finite solvable groups \\(G_ 1,G_ 2,...,G_ i\\) such that \\(G_ n\\) has nilpotent length 2n, contains a subgroup \\(\\bar H\\cong H\\) with \\(\\bar H\\cap Z(G_ n)=1\\), and belongs to \\(D_ 4\\) if p is odd and \\(D_ 3\\) if \\(p=2\\). 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